Comments on: The 1996 McDonald's Hamburger FAQ http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html Speaker | Wellness And Blog Consulting | Photography Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:44:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Alice Smith http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-12027 Alice Smith Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:44:54 +0000 #comment-12027 I did an experiment like this one. I put a mcdonalds hamburger on a plate and left it in my garage. A week later, there was mold on the bottom. ONE WEEK later, not some crazy number of years. I did an experiment like this one. I put a mcdonalds hamburger on a plate and left it in my garage. A week later, there was mold on the bottom. ONE WEEK later, not some crazy number of years.

]]> By: Karen Hanrahan http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-9413 Karen Hanrahan Fri, 15 Apr 2011 03:37:04 +0000 #comment-9413 Thanks so for the way to go!! I actually do have a Twinkie too!! Thanks so for the way to go!! I actually do have a Twinkie too!!

]]> By: C~ http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-9412 C~ Fri, 15 Apr 2011 03:29:19 +0000 #comment-9412 I think the point the posting Nazi's are forgetting is that the burger isn't a Masters level thesis experiment; it's a curiosity, a prop like she said. It doesn't NEED a "control" it's not that serious. The fact that it looks like it does is just a gross little factoid. The anti-qualified crowd can suck it too. Who cares if she sells vitamins or pokes a voodoo doll; if you don't "believe" in her methods don't go to her class or buy her stuff. Some people just have to have something to pick at and B**** about! Way to go Mother Earth. Lets save something else on the shelf in your kitchen.....hmmmm twinkie has been done, hmmm? I think the point the posting Nazi’s are forgetting is that the burger isn’t a Masters level thesis experiment; it’s a curiosity, a prop like she said. It doesn’t NEED a “control” it’s not that serious. The fact that it looks like it does is just a gross little factoid. The anti-qualified crowd can suck it too. Who cares if she sells vitamins or pokes a voodoo doll; if you don’t “believe” in her methods don’t go to her class or buy her stuff. Some people just have to have something to pick at and B**** about! Way to go Mother Earth. Lets save something else on the shelf in your kitchen…..hmmmm twinkie has been done, hmmm?

]]> By: Noel http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-4198 Noel Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:56:24 +0000 #comment-4198 First of all, the name's Noel, not Joel, Justin. Second, I think you misunderstood the thrust of my comment. Let me address your rebuttals. Firstly, no one denies that knowledge is often obtained from sources other than books, and that's fine. It's not fine when this knowledge is proven untrue, or proven 'true' using very questionable methods. To use the example you gave, it's remarkable this kid can solve quantum physics in his sleep, yet never went to school. What's important is if this kid chooses to share his solutions, they must be properly examined and validated by experts to be accepted as solid fact or scientific principle. Point 2) It's not about the burger itself, though the burger was tested without a control (like an organic burger) and that it did undergo oxidative rancidity as Razzie pointed out in his/her comment. (Which is why using the experiment as a basis to descredit fast foods in a class is not right). Rather it is the attitude behind the post here. The attitude that someone can teach people how to eat based only on life experiences with little or no formal training. As you pointed out, if you use a supplement that benefitted you but brought negative effects to the general population, would it be right to educate the public to consume it based on your experience alone? There's a reason science is conducted like that, it is to find what works for the majority, which makes recommending drugs and such safer (and more economical) and that is why formal education and training is necessary. Thank you. First of all, the name’s Noel, not Joel, Justin. Second, I think you misunderstood the thrust of my comment. Let me address your rebuttals. Firstly, no one denies that knowledge is often obtained from sources other than books, and that’s fine. It’s not fine when this knowledge is proven untrue, or proven ‘true’ using very questionable methods. To use the example you gave, it’s remarkable this kid can solve quantum physics in his sleep, yet never went to school. What’s important is if this kid chooses to share his solutions, they must be properly examined and validated by experts to be accepted as solid fact or scientific principle. Point 2) It’s not about the burger itself, though the burger was tested without a control (like an organic burger) and that it did undergo oxidative rancidity as Razzie pointed out in his/her comment. (Which is why using the experiment as a basis to descredit fast foods in a class is not right). Rather it is the attitude behind the post here. The attitude that someone can teach people how to eat based only on life experiences with little or no formal training. As you pointed out, if you use a supplement that benefitted you but brought negative effects to the general population, would it be right to educate the public to consume it based on your experience alone? There’s a reason science is conducted like that, it is to find what works for the majority, which makes recommending drugs and such safer (and more economical) and that is why formal education and training is necessary. Thank you.

]]> By: Justin http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-4106 Justin Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:47:13 +0000 #comment-4106 Joel - you crack me up. There are just as many 'qualified/certified/educated' doctors botching things as there are doctor-mom's botching them. The fact you clowns are so scared to accept the fact a (now 14?) year old burger looks the same as when purchased makes me wonder just how ignorant our society has become. Let's just say I've used a particular supplement for the past 20 years with positive results. Am I supposed to listen to some 'qualified/certified/educated' doctor who says it's yielded negative results in test subjects after 6 months of use, yet isn't old enough to have even been born when I started using it? Sometimes knowledge doesn't come from a book. Is the educated kid with a 4.0 at Harvard smarter than the kid that can dismantle quantum physics in his sleep while never having attended school? Get off the stats. Tribes all across the world rely on herbal medicine and strange methods to heal the ill; all of which are passed down. Do they not work because they aren't documented and haven't passed a review board? Would they work better if so? Personally, I think this 'experiment' was harmless. Harmless both to the burger, and to the folks that may have been turned away from this CRAP food as a result. Fast Food is junk. Tasty maybe, but junk nonetheless. Karen want a new experiment? Send me the burger. I'll eat it and we'll see if I live. :) Joel – you crack me up. There are just as many ‘qualified/certified/educated’ doctors botching things as there are doctor-mom’s botching them. The fact you clowns are so scared to accept the fact a (now 14?) year old burger looks the same as when purchased makes me wonder just how ignorant our society has become.

Let’s just say I’ve used a particular supplement for the past 20 years with positive results. Am I supposed to listen to some ‘qualified/certified/educated’ doctor who says it’s yielded negative results in test subjects after 6 months of use, yet isn’t old enough to have even been born when I started using it? Sometimes knowledge doesn’t come from a book. Is the educated kid with a 4.0 at Harvard smarter than the kid that can dismantle quantum physics in his sleep while never having attended school? Get off the stats.

Tribes all across the world rely on herbal medicine and strange methods to heal the ill; all of which are passed down. Do they not work because they aren’t documented and haven’t passed a review board? Would they work better if so?

Personally, I think this ‘experiment’ was harmless. Harmless both to the burger, and to the folks that may have been turned away from this CRAP food as a result. Fast Food is junk. Tasty maybe, but junk nonetheless.

Karen want a new experiment? Send me the burger. I’ll eat it and we’ll see if I live. :)

]]> By: Noel http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-4061 Noel Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:43:50 +0000 #comment-4061 The problem here, i think, is twofold- one- the fact that you have conducted this "study/experiment" without any valid scientific methods, and that you refuse to have your methods subject to proper scientific scrutiny. However, this would be perfectly alright if you hadn't used (point 2) the burger as a prop in an education class for health and organic eating. Without the scrutiny i mentioned, it is irresponsible, if not downright dangerous to use home experiments to educate people. Medical disasters (for lack of a better term) are caused by people claiming to be knowledgeable about something when the sole credential they have is a shoddily designed home experiment. Of course, your lack of qualification also poses further questions about the safety/effectiveness of the course you give. No doubt you feel good about helping people, but I believe that good intentions count for nothing if not backed up by established knowledge. I would rather see a cranky, yet brilliant doc, as opposed to a pleasant doc who knows little or nothing about my ailment. I recommend you cease these activities until you can acquire formal training and proper qualifications/ certifications. Thank you. The problem here, i think, is twofold- one- the fact that you have conducted this “study/experiment” without any valid scientific methods, and that you refuse to have your methods subject to proper scientific scrutiny. However, this would be perfectly alright if you hadn’t used (point 2) the burger as a prop in an education class for health and organic eating. Without the scrutiny i mentioned, it is irresponsible, if not downright dangerous to use home experiments to educate people. Medical disasters (for lack of a better term) are caused by people claiming to be knowledgeable about something when the sole credential they have is a shoddily designed home experiment. Of course, your lack of qualification also poses further questions about the safety/effectiveness of the course you give. No doubt you feel good about helping people, but I believe that good intentions count for nothing if not backed up by established knowledge. I would rather see a cranky, yet brilliant doc, as opposed to a pleasant doc who knows little or nothing about my ailment. I recommend you cease these activities until you can acquire formal training and proper qualifications/ certifications. Thank you.

]]> By: Hans http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-2724 Hans Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:06:54 +0000 #comment-2724 If bacteria won't eat it, neither should I. Thanks for sharing. If bacteria won’t eat it, neither should I. Thanks for sharing.

]]> By: Jessica http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-2723 Jessica Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:23:37 +0000 #comment-2723 How many calories does it contain? How many calories does it contain?

]]> By: Jak http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-2722 Jak Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:42:57 +0000 #comment-2722 1) Don't be absurd. The first Ronald Mc Donald was Willard Scott and I have found no indication that he is or was a vegan or animal rights activist.2) Supersize Me:Did YOU watch the movie? I noticed a grandstanding idiot blithely ignoring all recommendations of his doctors and nutritionists (they continually gave him exact menu items for best health, which he ignored and continued to choose the obviously unhealthy ones.)Oh my gosh - he became unhealthy eating like a pig with no regard for common sense for a month?!Shocking.For those who see this movie as a reason to demonize fast food, I sincerely hope you aren't that easily swayed in more important things. 1) Don’t be absurd. The first Ronald Mc Donald was Willard Scott and I have found no indication that he is or was a vegan or animal rights activist.2) Supersize Me:Did YOU watch the movie? I noticed a grandstanding idiot blithely ignoring all recommendations of his doctors and nutritionists (they continually gave him exact menu items for best health, which he ignored and continued to choose the obviously unhealthy ones.)Oh my gosh – he became unhealthy eating like a pig with no regard for common sense for a month?!Shocking.For those who see this movie as a reason to demonize fast food, I sincerely hope you aren’t that easily swayed in more important things.

]]> By: Jak http://bestofmotherearth.com/2008/09/28/the-1996-mcdonalds-hamburger-faq.html#comment-2721 Jak Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:29:35 +0000 #comment-2721 1) Don't be absurd. The first Ronald Mc Donald was Willard Scott and I have found no indication that he is or was a vegan or animal rights activist.2) Supersize Me:Did YOU watch the movie? I noticed a grandstanding idiot blithely ignoring all recommendations of his doctors and nutritionists (they continually gave him exact menu items for best health, which he ignored and continued to choose the obviously unhealthy ones.)Oh my gosh - he became unhealthy eating like a pig with no regard for common sense for a month?!Shocking.For those who see this movie as a reason to demonize fast food, I sincerely hope you aren't that easily swayed in more important things.Oh wait - it IS post November second - I guess you were. 1) Don’t be absurd. The first Ronald Mc Donald was Willard Scott and I have found no indication that he is or was a vegan or animal rights activist.2) Supersize Me:Did YOU watch the movie? I noticed a grandstanding idiot blithely ignoring all recommendations of his doctors and nutritionists (they continually gave him exact menu items for best health, which he ignored and continued to choose the obviously unhealthy ones.)Oh my gosh – he became unhealthy eating like a pig with no regard for common sense for a month?!Shocking.For those who see this movie as a reason to demonize fast food, I sincerely hope you aren’t that easily swayed in more important things.Oh wait – it IS post November second – I guess you were.

]]>